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Litvish Vs Chassidic Worlds: Beard, Shetails and Dress

posted Monday, 20 March 2006
Here are some summary notes that I have been thinking of with regard to the difference between the Chassidic and Litvish world with regard to "externals". My thesis is that the difference in externals really represents a fundamental difference on a more intrinsic level. I feel that the Litvish world has been influenced more (seperate question whether this is a good / bad thing) by western culture and values.

Chassidic world

Full untrimmed beards
Untrimmed peyot
Long coats
Conservative style of glasses, watches
Style of eating more european..
Speak only yiddish
Unchanged curriculum from what is in Europe
More stringent on seperation between sexes
Get married at young age (18 – 20) as in Europe
Woman wear less attractive, more synthetic looking sheitals with head covering
Woman shave their hair
Wear conservative style of clothing
Go to mikvah everyday
Live in ghetto citys

Litvish

All young men are clean shaven
Wear short designer suits
Adults have short, trimmed modern beards with shaved necks
Speak english
Changed corriculum to include secular studies
Woman wear more modern clothing
Woman wear more modern shetails that are longer, more attractive and more realistic looking

I am waiting for comments, before I start posting some of my own ideas on this matter. Comments please, I havent had any in weeks. Come on people this is nice controversial one to get you all thinking and to express your views.




1. andy left...
Tuesday, 21 March 2006 9:58 am

I think that at least in the ultra-orthodox community the influence of the Chassidic lifestyle is growing rapidly.


2. Rael Levinsohn left...
Tuesday, 21 March 2006 7:56 pm

Why do you feel that is the case? Ie what are these social / hashkasfic / halachic influences?


3. andy left...
Thursday, 23 March 2006 11:01 am

At least in Lakewood, many Litvishe send their kids to Chassidishe schools and speak Yiddish to them. Also most do not send to highschools with secular studies. And would Lakewood qualify as a ghetto?


4. andy left...
Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:27 am

I would also add the extreme position of the ultra-orthodox towards Zionist Gedolim which has certainly been influenced by the Satmar Rav's position on this matter.


5. DovBEar left...
Friday, 28 April 2006 1:08 pm

Your categories are wrong. The Hasidim look like Eastern Europeans of 300 years ago, right down to their fur hats and long coats. They were influenced by the non-Jews of Eastern Europe just as surely as group you call Litvaks were influenced by America, only that's wrong too. They aren't "litvaks;" they are non-Hasidim, and because they are non-hasidim, they permit themselves to borrow from the surrounding culture, which is what all Jews always used to do. (refer again to how Hasidic clothing is really Eastern European clothing.)


6. andy left...
Monday, 1 May 2006 3:53 am

I believe that nowadays 'Litvish' is used as a synonym for Misnaged.


7. Motti B. left...
Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:25 am

I have read this article by you, and i would like to add, that not all Chassidic groups fit into the category's that you profile. E.G. Chabad, more open minded to the secular world, wearing a suit, looking more presentable (I am not negating the way the more Polish Chassidic sects look like, actually I commend their look), put in Chabad, it is taught a more welcoming approach to outsiders. But we do keep our beard (un-trimmed) and Peyos. There is also the ideological difference between Chabad and other sects. We will discuss at length when I get back


8. Richard Wolpoe left...
Saturday, 14 April 2007 7:37 am

As noted the classic Litvisher Yeshivisher type is a rare bread today. For example no one at Ner Israel in the 1950's wore their tzitzis out. It simply was not done. No bachur sported a beard

Also, the burgeoning personality cults of Roshei Yeshiva has been adopted by the Litvisher world from the Chasidsher World. In the "old" days, no Poseik {Litvisher or otherwise} was treated as infallible by the Litvisher world. That has changed. The Mishnah Brurah has been canonized by the Litvisher world into something beyond the authority of any predecessor I cna thiink of. Certainly the Chayei Adam or Shach, or Aruch Hashulchan were never treated as complete final authorities.

The old Litvishe world was more skeptical and talmidim challenged Roshei Yeshiva with difficlt blistering questions. It used to be the role of the Yeshivisher Talmid to take his rebbe to task. Now it seems the role is to just to answer "amein gut gezukt" w/o any challenge lest one be considered disloyal.

As one of my Litvsiher rebbes admonised us - ich vill nisht keinfrum teira! {I don't want any pious learning - iow thinkfor yourself before you acquiesce to what I say!}


9. Schmelkeh left...
Thursday, 12 July 2007 11:07 pm

What is the diffrent Views on the coming of moshiach......Litvish VS Chassidic.................